Reincarnation

DesiBeauty
12-04-2005, 07:58 PM
Hindus, Sikhs, Budhists all beleive in reincarnation. I have had this question in mind for a long time. Why do they believe in this? Have there been any incidents when people took birth again?

desi_gunda
13-04-2005, 03:51 AM
The whole purpose is for u to not remember ur previous life, and in ur current life to go gud, so that you only become closer to God according to the Laws of Karma and Reincarnation. I'll post more later

imranali
13-04-2005, 04:31 AM
There is only 1 life and 1 death im a muslim and thats awat i belive and u people who pray to statues do they speak no my lord speaks do they feal no they jus stare back at u u look like fools praying to stones

imranali
13-04-2005, 04:32 AM
how can u come back to life with out gods permission u cant only 1 person who i now is coming back is isa (jesus) he is the only person in heaven still alive

desi_gunda
13-04-2005, 04:33 PM
Dude, if I want I can find flaws in Islam as well. I suggest you STFU because I'l get the Muslim Mods here to screw you over.
You dont like our beliefs keep it 2 urself, say it again you'll get teard apart.

DesiBeauty
13-04-2005, 04:46 PM
What are u saying imranali? Seriously, think before you mention anything.

What ever u suggested above is absoulty pathetic. Yet you call ur self a muslim

DesiBeauty
13-04-2005, 04:47 PM
The whole purpose is for u to not remember ur previous life, and in ur current life to go gud, so that you only become closer to God according to the Laws of Karma and Reincarnation. I'll post more later

Alrite , I realize that but I was just wondering if there has been an
incident where somone actually was recarnated. Is it even true?

desi_gunda
13-04-2005, 07:33 PM
You will never knows, its a belief, you believe it but dont question it :D or u dont belive in it @ all. I cant really explain ths properly, but once I do understand it perfectly myself i'll share my findings

imranali
14-04-2005, 04:34 AM
sorry 4 the inconveiniace u wanted my opinion i gave it u sorry yeah il wont be harsh next time the futre is ere ul neva now what it isthe ay afta tommorow will fly like wind until u get to that time u afta face up 2 ur lord

desi_gunda
14-04-2005, 04:41 AM
My lord isnt a person. I dont understand ur english btw.

bizzyboy
14-04-2005, 06:27 AM
Hindus, Sikhs, Budhists all beleive in reincarnation. I have had this question in mind for a long time. Why do they believe in this? Have there been any incidents when people took birth again?


Good question DesiBeauty & some nice replies too above, minus the arguments. I could easily answer a question with a question like, why do you beleive that you breathe air, cant see it ? But, someone fills a ballon up and loo, there's something there...!!

I fell for this question like so many other have done in the World many times over, and many more will continue to fall for it too in the future. That's not important though...! What i realised in my life is that a person first has to show some beleif in what the religious text books say. When 'beleif' is born the Lord God reveals Himself slowly to you in Time and proves the so called 'theory', HIMSELF !!

No One can see GOD, yet people have 'beleif' that HE Exists. Cant prove it, but it can only be 'beleived'. The atheist will the opposite, there is NO GOD !! He/She cant see anyone, so there aint One !!

So, taking that small step of belief then, evaluate this write up I did for you:



The initial sexual intercourse between a man and woman produces the Body into which the Soul is fused at birth, which gives human life to that baby body. After it’s birth, the baby begins a journey of Time called Karma (meaning actions), from birth till death.

The Soul of every human being has five virtues naturally bestowed to it, which are humility, love, calm & patience, charity and care for others. The Body on the other hand is made from the five elements fire, water, air, earth and ether, which were Initially fused by the power of the Soul.

How did the Soul fuse the five elements to form the Body ?
The only way to explain this miracle is telling you how to make an earthen water jar. You first find some good clay, some water and a table that turns. The water is used by the creator to fashion the clay jar, in which the creator holds what, but Water. Similarly the Soul fashioned the material body Initially and having made It, the Soul has then taken residence in It.

The five elements possess the Five Cardinal Sins, which make the Body function in Life. These Five Cardinals which infect the Soul, are given Free Will by the Soul to bring Life into this world. Every human and creature that walks the Earth has a Soul and the five elements sown together. They are:

Pride (Ego)
When one gives themselves self-importance, conceit, arrogance, superiority over others, takes pleasure from their efforts. The Soul knows the Truth though, that everyone was created Equal and in Time, one finds Humility in Mind. Everyone has been given a personality, character, image and self awareness. Throughout Life, each one of us boosts to everyone, look at me, look what I have done, do you know I made that ! Iamness, boosting, praising oneself, I, I, I, Me, Me, Me !

Anger
We naturally become angry with others when they do wrong, don’t do as they are told, repeatedly defeat you, prosecute you, fight you and some even declare war against you and so on ! Provoke Patience and Calm in your Mind, then Anger not. Anger takes your mind away from what your Soul inside, who is crying for you not to do, what you do in anger and rage. This brings pain, harm and suffering to another human, so why do it ? One cannot expect to get love out of a human when, they are getting this in their face all the time !

Lust
We need the power of lust within us to procreate. This lust always comes first as a bodily function, but how can we be satisfied with having sex ? It’s like the drug addict needing his fix every so often to keep him going, that we Need Sex ! Lust is never satisfied and over Time becomes perverted and corrupt. The only thing that keeps it in check, is Love. Best to waive It in Time and be satisfied with Chastity.

Greed
Which one of us does not want even more ? We all want more food, clothing, materialistic goods, houses, cars, PC’s, hi-fi’s, DVD’s, CD’s, bikes, toys, paintings, carpets, wardrobes and on and on and on ! Find me Anyone who says and does what he says, I don’t want More, There is no Business without Greed. When one Shares and gives in Charity, then they bring themselves to Balance. Ultimately though, whatever you make out of Greed, you leave behind at death. Why waste your Time and effort accumalating something you are going to leave behind? Restrict this dog with a leash !!

Love (Emotional Attachment)
This is the most lethal and the most deadliest of all the Cardinal Sins above. It attaches a human's mind to everything they see, feel, hear, touch or smell. These five senses trap the human mind and prevent it from 'seeing' that which they consider 'unbelievable' in their lives. Nothing can break this bond, except the Power of A Super Being, like Christ, Allah, Jesus, Nanak & Buddha to name a few. Only, they can gift you with the Power to break away from this one and 'see' what you cant 'see' now.

The human using these Five Cardinal Sins automatically accumalating sins for a Destiny to come. We cant avoid it...we are ALL trapped by them! So, whatever your previous life was (which you dont know of) and whatever your deeds were in that previous life, has caused you to be born here on Earth.


Quick Fag & Tea Break


The Body has also got a material brain which houses the Mind and this it uses to carry out it’s Free Will. By doing your Free Will with your Mind you perform actions. The actions, meaning what you actually do rather than what they say, throughout your Life are recorded on the Soul, as either Virtue or Vice.

Most people want to believe that they are rewarded for their actions straightaway, here and now on planet Earth, but it is not so. After you have completed the 3 Stages of life from baby, youth and old age, you arrive at death. Not everyone gets an opportunity to see these 3 stages through as some even die ‘prematurely’ during one of these stages. They have paid their just dues of virtue and vice as recorded in their Destiny by The One, Almighty Creator before birth !

After your death and no one knows when or how they will die, your Soul is taken before the Rightoeus Judge in The Lord's Court, and when your turn arrives, your actions recorded on your Soul are deeply scrutinise, and you are accordingly awarded either reward or punishment. The balance of the good and bad scales is known there and likewise, reward and punishment are given there too.

Reward - means a stay in Heaven

Punishment - means, Reincarnarion to whatever The Lord wishes you to be made into, human again, species, plants or animals...where else, but here again !!

So, you come with nothing but a destiny (which you have bagged from a previous life), accumulate everything as destined and finally depart with absolutely nothing again, except another destiny in waiting. And, as each one of us born here comes of Age, we seek a partner in Life to consummate a relationship with children. Every child they create becomes a branch from the original root and they in turn branch forth through many generations. This is sometimes called the Cycle Of Birth & Death or The Tree Of Life. As each one of these human beings procreates with another, so each carries the burden of virtue and vice, birth, karma and death forward, on and on and on !

The Great Almighty Lord though, is ever generous and forgiving. He Has Given everyone born here the FREE WILL to escape this cycle of Birth, Karma & Death. If one uses their Free Will to continue doing good and bad actions and remain in the Cycle, then that’s what keeps this World from disappearing.

The Way To Freedom and Everlasting Life, without birth, death and destiny, is learning to follow, beleive and practice the Teachings of Your Guru, Prophet or Saint, as shown in your Religion.

Use your Free Will, make the effort, show Our Lord that you are repentant of your past sins and slowly but surely, He Will turn your Life around. Shackled we all Are here to Destiny, but you have a Free Will to use and get Salvation !




Hope that answers your question...!!

desi_gunda
14-04-2005, 07:30 PM
*applauds*

King
14-04-2005, 07:36 PM
Imranali insense has anyone seen there god???????????

DesiBeauty
18-04-2005, 11:47 AM
Hey , Thanks alot for taking the time and writing it. It was very helpful and u answered
my question =)

((`~**Tashu**~`))
18-04-2005, 01:32 PM
There is only 1 life and 1 death im a muslim and thats awat i belive and u people who pray to statues do they speak no my lord speaks do they feal no they jus stare back at u u look like fools praying to stones

ait u need to stop realyy
ill find way more things to say about islam but i wont cause unlike u i have respect for other religons thats what MY PARENTS and my RELIGION touch me
before daying shit like this think twice

Rubz
08-05-2005, 09:57 AM
i belive in reincarnation a lot!

royce4u2002
08-05-2005, 11:00 AM
hmmm.... hey guys reincarnation....nice topic to get on wit but hey listen I m Muslim Frm MUMBAI n say that anyone talks abt his or other religion can speak only if he has got any idea abt wot is he or she talkin wot i really mean is if i talk abt quran or any religious Think it shud be upto the mark thats it n nothin more...........n the rest abt the reincarnation I dont believe in it cause theres no sence in talkin this cause ppl who believe will continue believing it n those who dont 4get abt them like me .........:) no probs guys my explanation abt this is over hope dont mind me talkin like this...newayz i m off now

ENJOI!!!!

desi_gunda
10-05-2005, 04:32 PM
Do we care if you believe in it or not? I dont.

royce4u2002
11-05-2005, 06:19 AM
thatz wot dude dont care for neone
reincarnation is bullshit thats wot i say now hope no one cares for these tooo ;)

cause no one cares wot i believe in it or not :)

ENJOI!!!!

priyakins
11-05-2005, 11:34 AM
ait u need to stop realyy
ill find way more things to say about islam but i wont cause unlike u i have respect for other religons thats what MY PARENTS and my RELIGION touch me
before daying shit like this think twice

same here
you shouldn't diss someone's religion... "fools praying to stones"??? what's the ka'ba then? Sorry, i despise anyone who thinks very low of other religions, even if they happen to be the same religion as me

desi_gunda
11-05-2005, 12:03 PM
thatz wot dude dont care for neone
reincarnation is bullshit thats wot i say now hope no one cares for these tooo ;)

cause no one cares wot i believe in it or not :)

ENJOI!!!!

Your talking to a proud Hindu, thats me. Next time you talk shit abt my faith, i'll flame ur ass bad. Consider this ur warning.

priyakins
11-05-2005, 12:05 PM
hahaha!

DesiBeauty
11-05-2005, 02:00 PM
Easy there Jonty.

desi_gunda
11-05-2005, 06:14 PM
How do I approach an ignorant person like him Danu ji?

aksstar
11-05-2005, 07:09 PM
There is only 1 life and 1 death im a muslim and thats awat i belive and u people who pray to statues do they speak no my lord speaks do they feal no they jus stare back at u u look like fools praying to stones

this is the second time ive seen this guy make such a fuked up ...he should get banned..i duno..y mods arent doin nything bout it .listen up u fuk...do u see us insultin yer religion..? no..so stfu now..dun even get me started...stupid fuk

DesiBeauty
11-05-2005, 08:49 PM
How do I approach an ignorant person like him Danu ji?

I know Jonty. I understand am just saying na that doesnt make anything better now does it?

desi_gunda
12-05-2005, 04:10 AM
I havent flamed any1 in a while either :P

DesiBeauty
12-05-2005, 03:39 PM
Accha karo phir flame jisko be karna hai uff allah lol

priyakins
12-05-2005, 03:46 PM
lolzzz

royce4u2002
14-05-2005, 06:48 AM
Do we care if you believe in it or not? I dont.

wo wo wwo dude i didnt mean that i said cause u said no one cares wot i believe
n thats wot i believe n hey
wot abt the pround Hindu dude I m pourd Maharashtrian n ofcourse an proud Indian
so believe al most everythin but hey that wo was wot i dont believe u c
so thanx for the warning but thats wot i think so no change in me in that case :)

AND Abt this
Your talking to a proud Hindu, thats me. Next time you talk shit abt my faith, i'll flame ur ass bad. Consider this ur warning.

I dont care wot u believe in ? Do i :) Nopes dude
so c ya take care


ENJOI!!!!

desi_gunda
15-05-2005, 05:37 AM
wo wo wwo dude i didnt mean that i said cause u said no one cares wot i believe
n thats wot i believe n hey
wot abt the pround Hindu dude I m pourd Maharashtrian n ofcourse an proud Indian
so believe al most everythin but hey that wo was wot i dont believe u c
so thanx for the warning but thats wot i think so no change in me in that case :)

AND Abt this


I dont care wot u believe in ? Do i :) Nopes dude
so c ya take care


ENJOI!!!!

Did I ask you 2 care abt waht I Believe in? All Im telling you is to shut ur fuking mouth and not talk about my faith, you do understand english right?
fuking insult to bombaites.

royce4u2002
15-05-2005, 08:08 AM
Did I ask you 2 care abt waht I Believe in? All Im telling you is to shut ur fuking mouth and not talk about my faith, you do understand english right?
fuking insult to bombaites.

Bhai u gettin very abusive this time....yaar now plz cut that shit off
chal i cant understand english......bombaites is Mumbaikar n i m Mumabikar n thats not all abt talkin english aur ek baat sunle bhai of shutin my mouth ok i'll but u take care of urs its gettin tooooo long way main to bas apne faith ki baat kar raha hoon
bhai tumne mujhe warning di hai But i m requesting u :) ok

bye take care
Mumbaikar :)

bizzyboy
15-05-2005, 12:31 PM
Maybe if I bring the issue into focus again...than all this 'mud slinging' may become fruitful...!! :)

Islam & Reincarnation:
http://www.dislam.org/resurrection/reincarnation.html
http://www.adishakti.org/_/reincarnation_in_islam.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/reincarnation.htm
http://www.askislam.com/Religions_and_Beliefs/Answer_493.html
http://www.dontveter.com/notes/any.html
http://al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00809.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/re/death/islifeafterdeathrev3.shtml
http://www.irshad.org/exposed/i-k.php

That leaves me to pose this question to the reading audience:


If truly Islam does not beleive in 'reincarnation' then why would a God who is known to be True, Merciful & Just, make some religions believe in reincarnation and others not ? Why would this God be two faced like a snake ?

The Sikh religion is about 570 years old, Hinduism about 4000 years, Islam 1400 years, Buddhism is around 2600 years and likewise Judaism is also 2600 years old, but The Creation is Billions Years Old. Where was all the faiths and their beleivers then, before Religion came along ? Mankind, animals and the creatures have been on the planet far longer than the Religions ever existed !!!!

Finally, if I was ever told that 'reincarnation' never existed in my Religion, I would definately use all these: envy, deceit, deviousness, lies, greed, anger and violence, divorce, false marriage, infidelity, provocation, cunning, indifference, apathy, disgust, moody, bitterness, empathy, selfishness, betrayal, personality manipulation, confrontation, humiltiy, slander, gossip, fear, extortion, hypocrisy, rape, begging, stealing, jealousy, false witness, ego, swindling, hoarding, threats, disease and sickness, pain, sorrow, hatred, grief, misery, sexual perversions, mystical practices, bribery, corruption, devil worship, intimidation, injustice, inequality, prejudice, sympathy & compassion, discrimination, rejection, abuse, drug dependency, blackmail, murder, crime, bestiality, back-stabbing, pride, ego, self centeredness, cunning, theft, sodomy, rivalry, bestiality, trauma, horror, mental disability and loadz more.....till I dropped dead, without any guilt whatsoever, cos I aint gonna get incarnated again anyways, so what the fuk like.....blow the fukin planet up and screw the fukin people till I drop then......NO !!!! :)

(`'·.¸ (`'·.¸*SRK* ¸.·'´)
17-05-2005, 03:46 PM
this topic is basicly abt sharing ur opinions right????

bizzyboy
17-05-2005, 11:46 PM
Quite right....!!!

The topic concerns 'reincarnation' and the nice lady (you are too ^^^^)wanted to know what it's all about. And, only those who 'beleive' in reincarnation would be able to offer her what it really meant. So, when someone who doesnt beleive in it & throws remarks like this in the topic:


thatz wot dude dont care for neone
reincarnation is bullshit thats wot i say now hope no one cares for these tooo, cause no one cares wot i believe in it or not
ENJOI!!!!



hmmm.... hey guys reincarnation....nice topic to get on wit but hey listen I m Muslim Frm MUMBAI n say that anyone talks abt his or other religion can speak only if he has got any idea abt wot is he or she talkin wot i really mean is if i talk abt quran or any religious Think it shud be upto the mark thats it n nothin more...........n the rest abt the reincarnation I dont believe in it cause theres no sence in talkin this cause ppl who believe will continue believing it n those who dont 4get abt them like me ......... no probs guys my explanation abt this is over hope dont mind me talkin like this...newayz i m off now
ENJOI!!!!


He's deliberately dissing another's Faith, which then leads to those who beleive in the 'subject matter' to defend their Faith....rightly the 'desi_gunda' did what he did.....!!!! And, likewise I will, as it was my explanation he was dissing back at, so I'm up for it too, if need be....!!!

I welcome anyone's 'opinion', but not when they diss the another's faith. So, I will be the first to apologise if my remarks have caused anyone any offence to anyone else's faith....will he now do the same then ????

desi_gunda
22-05-2005, 10:00 PM
exactly my point. Agree with u bizzy boy

DesiBeauty
23-05-2005, 12:16 PM
ummm MODS can =D lol

royce4u2002
24-05-2005, 08:40 AM
Damn Y u guys Blaming me for that yaar
bizzy boy u quoted my post but u didnt quote desigunda's reply to my each post well u shud have better done that
But Guys u r abusive n not me

look Bizzy boy, desigunda n all who felt bad I m Sorry n I mean it I dont wanna extend this topic any more I m sorry once Again

But then Juss have a Look to wot desi gunda replied to my first post

I mean the First i posted abt My belief n i said thats wot i belief

hmmm.... hey guys reincarnation....nice topic to get on wit but hey listen I m Muslim Frm MUMBAI n say that anyone talks abt his or other religion can speak only if he has got any idea abt wot is he or she talkin wot i really mean is if i talk abt quran or any religious Think it shud be upto the mark thats it n nothin more...........n the rest abt the reincarnation I dont believe in it cause theres no sence in talkin this cause ppl who believe will continue believing it n those who dont 4get abt them like me ......... no probs guys my explanation abt this is over hope dont mind me talkin like this...newayz i m off now
ENJOI!!!!


Do we care if you believe in it or not? I dont.

Did I ask you 2 care abt waht I Believe in? All Im telling you is to shut ur fuking mouth and not talk about my faith, you do understand english right?
fuking insult to bombaites.

that was not the reply for wot i believe

n this ^^^^ is wot he said that was not the reply i was expecting not only frm him but nebody

n plz now stop balming me i said i m Sorry for that

DesiBeauty
24-05-2005, 08:50 AM
Its okie royce4u2002

Jonty I think u read it wrong from the start.


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